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Post by Orioles GM (Ben) on Nov 23, 2019 1:09:33 GMT -5
The pp guys go on waivers I believe. i’m not waiving them, but rather i’m not picking up their contracts. With PP years, I have that option. If i don’t pick up their contracts, there is nothing to waive, so they are free agents. Id first have to pick up their contracts to have a player to waive, but Im not so there is nothing to waive. PP years are just like option years on a contract. Im simply declining an option. No waiver involved. Now, after today when the option deadline passes, then all PP guys not declined are assumed picked up, so come tomorrow, any PP guys dropped have to go through waivers because all they all have contracts, but until the option declaration deadline tonight, their contracts can simply be declined. Understood, and don’t feel strongly about it, but the way in which that seems to have been done in this league is by placing them on the waivers thread- see, for example, the first entry on Tigers waiver thread. Effect is identical from your perspective (you don’t pay a penalty). Don’t think it’s ever previously been done by treating them as options (for which the deadline is sooner). |
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Post by Orioles GM (Ben) on Nov 23, 2019 1:17:13 GMT -5
i’m not waiving them, but rather i’m not picking up their contracts. With PP years, I have that option. If i don’t pick up their contracts, there is nothing to waive, so they are free agents. Id first have to pick up their contracts to have a player to waive, but Im not so there is nothing to waive. PP years are just like option years on a contract. Im simply declining an option. No waiver involved. Now, after today when the option deadline passes, then all PP guys not declined are assumed picked up, so come tomorrow, any PP guys dropped have to go through waivers because all they all have contracts, but until the option declaration deadline tonight, their contracts can simply be declined. Understood, and don’t feel strongly about it, but the way in which that seems to have been done in this league is by placing them on the waivers thread- see, for example, the first entry on Tigers waiver thread. Effect is identical from your perspective (you don’t pay a penalty). Don’t think it’s ever previously been done by treating them as options (for which the deadline is sooner). All set out in ‘Exception 2’ of the ‘Waiving players’ rule. Like I say, it makes no practical difference to you, and I don’t care either way really. But seems pretty clear. |
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Post by z - Tim on Nov 23, 2019 8:51:30 GMT -5
Understood, and don’t feel strongly about it, but the way in which that seems to have been done in this league is by placing them on the waivers thread- see, for example, the first entry on Tigers waiver thread. Effect is identical from your perspective (you don’t pay a penalty). Don’t think it’s ever previously been done by treating them as options (for which the deadline is sooner). All set out in ‘Exception 2’ of the ‘Waiving players’ rule. Like I say, it makes no practical difference to you, and I don’t care either way really. But seems pretty clear. I didnt realize it was so clearly in the rules (it just seemed to follow). But that exception 2 actually makes it clear that I did it the right way: ”Protected Players (PP) who are released during this 'non-tender' period will be immediately DROPPED TO THE FREE AGENT POOL and will NOT BE SUBJECT TO WAIVER CLAIMS.” |
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Post by Orioles GM (Ben) on Nov 23, 2019 9:33:32 GMT -5
The ultimate outcome was the same, but the reasoning and timing was wrong (they’re not treated as options, so didn’t have to be declined by the option deadline and don’t belong in the option thread). But this is probably the most tedious debate ever, so will just stop.
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Post by z - Tim on Nov 23, 2019 10:00:20 GMT -5
The ultimate outcome was the same, but the reasoning and timing was wrong (they’re not treated as options, so didn’t have to be declined by the option deadline and don’t belong in the option thread). But this is probably the most tedious debate ever, so will just stop. It is useful to know we clarified that into a rule (and that that rule allows us to wait until UFA to make the decision), but I dont think its fair to call the reasoning itself wrong. There’s a reason the result is the same and its because the option analogy is on point, non-tenders are like options and that is why the written rule doesnt allow them to be subject to waiver claims. |
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Post by Orioles GM (Ben) on Nov 23, 2019 10:19:02 GMT -5
Sure man.
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Post by Yankees (Ben) on Nov 24, 2019 6:11:11 GMT -5
RP Josh Fields
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Post by Padres GM (Saul) on Nov 29, 2019 15:27:07 GMT -5
Andrew Toles 2020:$500K (PP 20) - UFA
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Post by Angels GM (Scott) on Dec 15, 2019 13:41:52 GMT -5
Odubel Herrera
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 8:24:24 GMT -5
Giants UFA's
Forsythe, Logan 1B Tex
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Post by Rangers GM (Tony) on Jan 26, 2020 9:11:29 GMT -5
Trent Thornton SP TOR
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Post by Pirates GM (Ryan) on Jan 26, 2020 11:31:53 GMT -5
Pirates UFA
MI Devon Travis PP-19
SP Joe Ross PP-19
RP Justin Wilson 19:$3.5M
RP Carson Smith PP-19
RP Junichi Tazawa 19:500K
RP Robert Stock 19:1M
RP Aaron Loup 19:1M
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Post by z - El Guapo - retired on Oct 14, 2020 13:38:10 GMT -5
New York Mets 2020 off-season UFA releases:
Tyler Kinley RP/COL 2020: ($2.1M)
Brett Phillips LF/TB 2021: $.5M (PP 2022)
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Post by Rays GM (Kyle) on Oct 14, 2020 14:14:04 GMT -5
You guys this is the thread for last offseason. The current thread is titles 2021 UFA Thread
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