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Post by Brewers GM (Brad) on Jul 8, 2016 8:43:59 GMT -5
2016 (last year's) post
Hello all. It is time for our annual in-season prospect bidding week. Nominations can be posted at any time in the in-season free agency thread starting immediately and running until Thursday, July 14 at midnight. Bids will be accepted until Friday, July 15 at midnight.
Players just selected in the 2016 MLB draft or international guys signed during the current July 2 signing period are not eligible for bidding. All unowned players, currently signed to a contract with a MLB team, who have not surpassed the 50 IP, 150 AB threshold are eligible to be signed. All signings are by signing bonus.
Considering the copious amounts of prospects to sort through, please mark any MLB players bound for regular in-season free agency with an (ISFA). In-season free agency will follow the prospect bidding calendar this week.
Happy prospect hunting everyone!
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Post by Brewers GM (Brad) on Jun 18, 2017 3:50:51 GMT -5
2017 (this year's) reminder - post to follow as we approach the A-S break
The above post was to announce the 2016 All Star Break prospect bidding period. This year's bids will be due the Friday after the All-Star Game (July 14th) while nominations can begin on Saturday, July 8th.
Time to get your prospect lists together.
Here's a list of last year's winning bids for everyone's perusal...
Brewers
Brock Stewart - SP LAD 5.1M
Aaron Wilkerson - SP MIL 5.1M
Anthony Barnette - RP TEX 100K
Ryan Schimpf - 2B SDP 100K
Giants
De Los Santos, Enyel SP SD - 900K
Castellani, Ryan SP COL - 800K
Bridwell, Parker SP BAL - 800K
Plutko, Adam RHP CLE - 800K
Abdullah, Imani SP LAD - 800K
Lee, Chris SP BAL - 700K
Mieses, Johan OF LAD - 800K
Houser, Adrian RP MIL - 500K
Holder, Kyle MI NYY - 500K
Rays
P: Chris Flexen, NYM - $500k
OF: Kyle Garlick, LAD - $500k
C: Ian Rice, CHC - $1M
P: Antonio Santillan, CIN - $1M
OF: Estevan Florial, NYY - $1M
MI: Travis Demeritte, TEX - $2M
P: Adonis Medina, PHI - $3M
P: Carlos Estevez, COL - $5M
P: Matt Bush, TEX - $5M
P: Edubray Ramos, PHI - $5M
Mets
Chris Paddack SP/SD - $43M SB
Sandy Alcantara SP/STL - $13M SB
Derian Cruz SS/ATL - $12M SB
Miguelangel Sierra SS/ATL - $11M SB
Brian Mundell 1B/COL - $8M SB
Garrett Cleavinger RP/BAL - $8M
Brian Pirela SP/STL - $5M SB
A's
Chad Kuhl - $1M
Dietrich Enns - $1M
Anthony Banda - $3M
Luis Perdomo - $2M
Jordan Guerrero - $2M
Angel Perdomo - $2M
O's
Adam Engels CWS OF - $500K
Jamie Schultz SP TB - $500K
Max Povse SP ATL - $500K
Pedro Fernandez SP KCR - $500K
Trevor Oaks SP LAD - $500K
Ben Gamel NYY OF - $500K
Andrew Toles OF LAD - $500K
Rhymer Liriano OF MIL - $500K
Jose Azocar OF DET - $500K
Luis Liberato OF SEA - $100K
Francisco Rios, SP TOR - $100K
Alec Mills KC SP - $100K
German Marquez SP COL - $100K
Jordan Stephens SP CWS - $100K
Raphael Ramirez OF NYM - $100K
Ricardo Cespedes OF NYM - $100K
Mariners
Brian Fylnn-SP/KC $500K
Garvis Lara MI/MIA $400K
Blake Hickman C/CHW $400K
Mitch Nay CI/TOR $400K
Michael Ynoa RP/CHW $400K
Danny Vasquez OF/HOU $400K
Steven Okert RP/SF $100K
Roemon Fields OF/TOR $400K
Carson Cross RP/STL $400K
Ryan McBroom CI/TOR $400K
Braves
Connor Lien OF ATL - 100,000k
Rodrigo “Bo’ Takahashi SP ARZ - 100,000k
Donny Sands 3B NYY - 100,000k
Bryan Hudson OF BOS - 100,000k
Edgar Garcia SP PHI - 100,000k
Cardinals
Ryon Healy 3B OAK - $6.5M
Mauricio Dubon MI BOS - $1.2M
Marlins
Adam Frazier SS/PIT - $1.9M
Tommy Joseph CI/PHI - $3.9M
Andrew Moore SP SEA - $1.9M
PJ Conlon LHP NYM - $900K
Chance Adams RHP NYY - 900K
Blue Jays
Chase Vallot C/KC - 600K
Chris Ellis SP/ATL - 800K
Jabari Blash OF/SD - 300K
Tito Polo OF/PIT - 300K
Luis Alejandro Basabe MI/ARZ - 600K
Jhonadro Alfaro C/CHW - 200K
Brian Goodwin OF/WAS - 100K
Isiah Gillium OF/NYY - 100K
Tigers
Drew Finley SB:$1.5M
Travis Lakins SB:$1.5M
Ryan Helsley SB:$0.7M
Hunter Cervenka SB:$0.5M
Henry Ramos SB:$0.2M
White Sox
Kaleb Cowart CI LAA - $200,000
Mason Williams OF NYY - $200,000
Jaime Barria RHP LAA - $200,000
Ben Taylor RHP BOS - $200,000
Jean Cosme RHP SDP - $200,000
Zach Littell RHP SEA - $300,000
Mike Yastrzemski OF BAL - $200,000
Trevor Brown C SF - $800,000
Greg Mahle RP LAA - $200,000
Jake Brentz OF BOS - $200,000
Dalier Hinojosa RP PHI - $200,000
Pat Dean SP MIN - $600,000
Albert Suarez RP SF - $1.8
Chris Stratton RP SF - $700.000
DBacks
Max Schrock $5m sb
Andrew Stevenson $4.4m sb
Jamie Westbrook $1.4m sb
Jhailyn Ortiz $1.4m sb
Andres Giminez $0.8m sb
Nationals
Jeremy Hazelbaker, OF STL - $500K
Ryan Buchter, RP SD - $500
Braden Bishop OF SEA - $100K
Brandon Downes KC OF - $100K
Angels
Luis Urias 3.8m
Dinelson Lamet 3.8m
Dodgers
Chad Pinder 2.1m
Tony Wolters 1.1m
Cubs
Josh Ockimey 10.5M
Beau Burrows 7.5M
Anderson Franco 6.5M
Derian Gonzalez 1.5M
Yankees
Chris Pieters 1.2M
Kyle Lewis 1.8M
Ronald Guzman 6.3M
Fernando Romero 7.2M
Brett Eibner 5.1M
Edwin Rios 5.7M
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2017 20:14:51 GMT -5
Wait...did Mets actually pay $43 million for Chris Paddack???
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Post by Tigers GM (Ian) on Jun 26, 2017 13:52:43 GMT -5
Is there a cutoff date before bids are due that you will no longer accept nominations?
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Post by Tigers GM (Ian) on Jun 28, 2017 8:33:00 GMT -5
Is there a cutoff date before bids are due that you will no longer accept nominations? ? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 9:33:57 GMT -5
This year's bids will be due the Friday after the All-Star Game (July 14th) |
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Post by Marlins GM (Anthony) on Jun 28, 2017 10:05:47 GMT -5
Hmm, just to be clear. We have to post our prospect nominations similar to the Free Agency nominations? This seems not at all beneficial to the guys who actually research and find the valuable spec's available themselves, only to have someone who may or may not do any leg work let alone know who the players are and just cherry pick guys after the fact. The ML FA I get. Relatively speaking everyone knows who's valuable there. But listing for everyone to see who's a valuable spec (to me) seems off. My point....I think prospect nominations AND bidding should be blind. To use an example, and not to go back to knocking El Guapo's strategy but, how is that not entirely beneficial to the guy who saves all his cap space for such reasons. To bid, $43M for Chris Paddack. Not saying he didn't, but who's to say Guapo even knew who that was, before he saw the nomination, googled the player and noticed "Wow...this guy has some nice ratios." I think I'll use 30% of my cap because I know nobody else can go that high. In closing, if we're going to openly nominate spec's I think each team should have a hard cap on how much they can bid because you're basically rewarding the tankers (who are already rewarded w/ the top picks in the FYPD). Maybe I'm reading this incorrectly? And if I am I apologize for gasbagging on the topic  |
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Post by Marlins GM (Anthony) on Jun 28, 2017 10:34:09 GMT -5
A way of simplifying it...
This method, would be similar to any MLB team openly saying/listing whom they're targeting in the MiLB Draft..."We're targeting Player X, Y and Z in the upcoming draft so, feel free to steal our research and block our signings."
Surely I'm not the only one that thinks this makes zero sense...
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Post by Tigers GM (Ian) on Jun 28, 2017 11:29:29 GMT -5
Yea saw that, not asking when bids are due, asking when nominations are due by This year's bids will be due the Friday after the All-Star Game (July 14th) |
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Post by Brewers GM (Brad) on Jun 28, 2017 17:36:55 GMT -5
I am sorry that this post has been confusing. My intent was to give everyone a head's up, well in advance, of when spec bidding was going to happen. Another post, announcing all details of spec bidding is forthcoming.
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Post by Orioles GM (Ben) on Jun 29, 2017 10:14:21 GMT -5
A way of simplifying it... This method, would be similar to any MLB team openly saying/listing whom they're targeting in the MiLB Draft..."We're targeting Player X, Y and Z in the upcoming draft so, feel free to steal our research and block our signings." Surely I'm not the only one that thinks this makes zero sense... Have to say that I agree with Anthony. Feels to me an unnecessary step and affects the bidding (if I see Anthony has posted play X then I'll adjust my bidding to reflect the fact I'm likely to be bidding against him. I suppose part of the justification for posting names is so that people can be told if they have posted someone who is ineligible before they waste bidding dollars. But seems to me that if you don't do the research to figure out if a guy is a 2017 J2 or drafteethem that's on you. |
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Post by Angels GM (Scott) on Jun 29, 2017 12:44:41 GMT -5
There is definitely some strategy that can be used here to eliminate the "lazy" swoopers. There are literally thousands of prospects. Does anyone think someone that is too lazy to post their own nominations is going to look up hundreds of prospects?
As for the bit about a hard cap, even if there was an appetite to go that route, it would need to be planned well ahead of time so as not to penalize teams that have prepared under the existing rules. We already have penalties in place for teams that don't make minimums. Maybe one consideration would be to place a hard cap only on those teams that havnt met minimums. But I'd hate to penalize teams that have been cap healthy and are meeting limits.
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Post by Orioles GM (Ben) on Jun 29, 2017 14:32:21 GMT -5
There is definitely some strategy that can be used here to eliminate the "lazy" swoopers. There are literally thousands of prospects. Does anyone think someone that is too lazy to post their own nominations is going to look up hundreds of prospects? As for the bit about a hard cap, even if there was an appetite to go that route, it would need to be planned well ahead of time so as not to penalize teams that have prepared under the existing rules. We already have penalties in place for teams that don't make minimums. Maybe one consideration would be to place a hard cap only on those teams that havnt met minimums. But I'd hate to penalize teams that have been cap healthy and are meeting limits. See the point about listing lots of specs, but still think it begs the question as to what purpose the rule serves in the first place. Just seems kind of pointless and a bit bureaucratic. |
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Post by Marlins GM (Anthony) on Jun 29, 2017 14:36:29 GMT -5
Scott - I think you're grossly exaggerating the pool of available, valuable assets. If I'm assuming correctly, this league was founded in 2015 based on when the Rules were drawn up. So you're in your 3rd season here? While 35 man MiLB rosters does seem fairly deep, it's not that deep for 30 team Dynasties that are 3 years in to their existence. Fact is, with each passing year the number of available VALUABLE assets will drastically shrink.
And you say THOUSANDS of prospects available. Which is kind of true? There are definitely thousands of baseball players scattered across the world. But just last year, in the leagues 2nd year of existence there were only 125ish prospects who were bid on and/or acquired. This year, I suspect that number will be drastically smaller. And the year after that, smaller than that.
I understand the idea of stating, at least for the teams that may not do the leg work, or the teams who may not be so prospect inclined they STILL have to do the research but...It's not that hard to google 150 names and quickly assess whether they are/could be a valuable asset. I don't think teams should have to publicly list whom they deem valuable to benefit anybody but themselves. Odds are, they're losing several of those players to someone who either A. Didn't know that person was available, or worse. B. They didn't know they existed altogether.
To put it in more perspective...There will be no Ryon Healy this time around. There will be no German Marquez. There will be no Chance Adams. There will be no Andres Gimenez, Ronald Guzman or Fernando Romero's either.
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Post by Angels GM (Scott) on Jun 29, 2017 14:44:05 GMT -5
Scott - I think you're grossly exaggerating the pool of available, valuable assets. If I'm assuming correctly, this league was founded in 2015 based on when the Rules were drawn up. So you're in your 3rd season here? While 35 man MiLB rosters does seem fairly deep, it's not that deep for 30 team Dynasties that are 3 years in to their existence. Fact is, with each passing year the number of available VALUABLE assets will drastically shrink. And you say THOUSANDS of prospects available. Which is kind of true? There are definitely thousands of baseball players scattered across the world. But just last year, in the leagues 2nd year of existence there were only 125ish prospects who were bid on and/or acquired. This year, I suspect that number will be drastically smaller. And the year after that, smaller than that. I understand the idea of stating, at least for the teams that may not do the leg work, or the teams who may not be so prospect inclined they STILL have to do the research but...It's not that hard to google 150 names and quickly assess whether they are/could be a valuable asset. I don't think teams should have to publicly list whom they deem valuable to benefit anybody but themselves. Odds are, they're losing several of those players to someone who either A. Didn't know that person was available, or worse. B. They didn't know they existed altogether. To put it in more perspective...There will be no Ryon Healy this time around. There will be no German Marquez. There will be no Chance Adams. There will be no Andres Gimenez, Ronald Guzman or Fernando Romero's either. Having played in multiple leagues that handle it this way that have been around for years longer than this one, you are unequivocally wrong if you believe those types of prospects are not going to get panned. It is much easier for me to pan through multiple available player lists on fantrax to find prospects than it is for me to pull up 150 names and analyze each. Anyone willing to do either is not lazy. |
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Post by Marlins GM (Anthony) on Jun 29, 2017 14:55:27 GMT -5
Marquez was a Top 100 prospect BEFORE that bidding last year...If you play any Dynasty leagues, where he goes un owned you're doing it wrong.
I play in a 16 teamer w/ smaller MiLB rosters (25) and Healy was owned by May. Something is amiss if you think those type of players are in the FA pool now because they are not.
Not trying to be combative, but i'm on pins and needles waiting for your midseason acquisitions because I'd be willing to bet a good bit, you're going to be disappointed if you think you're acquiring those type of pieces. Especially, that close to the majors.
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Post by Angels GM (Scott) on Jun 29, 2017 15:04:35 GMT -5
Last year I picked up exactly 2 players with limited cash. Luis Urias and Dinelson Lamet. Suffice it to say it was 7.6m total well spent. Those types of players are available every year in these leagues
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Post by Marlins GM (Anthony) on Jun 29, 2017 15:22:31 GMT -5
You just proved my point for me...Out of that bottom less pit of talent you selected 2 players. TWO guys you valued who may or may not pan out. Why make those 2 players known to the rest of the league? That's all I'm saying...Nobody should have to do that.
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Post by Angels GM (Scott) on Jun 29, 2017 18:07:57 GMT -5
I would have found a lot more than 2 if I had the cash then. Those are two very valuable prospects that nobody paid more than $3.8m each for. If your point were true, the lazy would have swooped in and outspent me
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Post by Marlins GM (Anthony) on Jun 29, 2017 20:10:15 GMT -5
I dont think that trumps my theory at all and we'll probably just have to agree to disagree on this one.
And honestly the fact that Luis Urias, a Top 5-10 prospect in a solid farm system was available at all supports my theory that a new(er) league fleshes out the more valuable assets early on. That in turn makes each bidding period all the more valuable to the team's that do the research to find the next crop of up and coming prospects with out having to publicize it to the rest of the league.
I'd also be willing to bet, you would have felt more comfortable not having to go $4M per on those 2 guys if you weren't having to nominate or essentially recommend them to everyone else in the league.
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