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Post by z - Gaz on Dec 19, 2017 6:31:32 GMT -5
Apparently the asking price for Machado is stupendously high at the moment. I'll guess they hold him until nearer the deadline then flip him when there's a team desperate for a bump. Cant see anyone meeting their current asking price.
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Post by Red Sox GM (Luke) on Dec 19, 2017 6:58:39 GMT -5
Agree with you Gaz.
Being an Orioles fan I want to get as much for Machado as possible and by holding on till the trade deadline when teams are desperate to make the postseason probably makes the most sense.
Would of liked him to have gone to the Cards or White sox as they have some upper echelon arms but obviously those teams weren't giving up that much for a rental.
I think he ends up playing for he Yankees when he becomes a FA.
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Post by Brewers GM (Brad) on Dec 19, 2017 9:34:01 GMT -5
Only problem with waiting until the trade deadline is that the rental has even less value. At this point he has one season of control and a comp pick attached. A deadline deal leaves him with just a few months of control and no opportunity for a comp pick. If I were the O's, I would consider the offers I receive now as likely the best I can expect to receive.
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Post by Marlins GM (Anthony) on Dec 19, 2017 9:37:32 GMT -5
Come on St. Louis...do it. Worst case scenario Jack Flaherty and Dakota Hudson are mid rotation pieces.
Best case scenario, or more likely? One of those two arms never reach their potential in a Cardinals uniform and you move them in a deal later anyways..
Do it Mo!
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Post by z - Tim on Dec 19, 2017 10:55:19 GMT -5
sometimes deadline deals for rentals can be better than offseason. yeah, you get the guy for less time, but teams are also more willing to go all-in when their playoff picture is clearer, so theres a tradeoff. plus, if he spends the first half of the season with the orioles, then the new team only owes the other half of his $. I'd think the Os are better off organizationally to just put this behind them and not have trade talks hang over their whole season. having your teams main news for the first half of the season be trade speculation about best player isn't a good vibe. But as far as return goes, I don't think they need to panic. If they want hold their guy to ransom, when they finally lower their price they can still do pretty well, perhaps as well as they'd do lowering the price now.
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Post by Marlins GM (Anthony) on Dec 19, 2017 11:27:59 GMT -5
Other aspect of this, to Tim's point. And you can never predict this but...Lets say Cardinals meet Baltimore's demands. Give up 2 promising young SP's. Spring training rolls around, Machado tweaks his knee and he's out 6-8 weeks. Machado gets hit by a pitch and breaks his wrist. While unlikely, it completely nukes that trade if you lose Machado for an extended period of time, let alone playoff time. It's why, SP's are rarely traded in the final year of their contract and usually, at the deadline. They are too unpredictable over the long season and trading at the deadline ensures you're getting a healthy player.
Position players are far and away less likely to get hurt, but it's another reason to wait, see where you're at come June and if Machado is healthy you make the move.
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Post by Phillies GM (Ron) on Dec 20, 2017 16:16:27 GMT -5
Other aspect of this, to Tim's point. And you can never predict this but...Lets say Cardinals meet Baltimore's demands. Give up 2 promising young SP's. Spring training rolls around, Machado tweaks his knee and he's out 6-8 weeks. Machado gets hit by a pitch and breaks his wrist. While unlikely, it completely nukes that trade if you lose Machado for an extended period of time, let alone playoff time. It's why, SP's are rarely traded in the final year of their contract and usually, at the deadline. They are too unpredictable over the long season and trading at the deadline ensures you're getting a healthy player. Position players are far and away less likely to get hurt, but it's another reason to wait, see where you're at come June and if Machado is healthy you make the move. Or as you both say something like this happens rotoworld.com/headlines/mlb/559357/britton-tears-achilles-out-at-least-6-months?ls=roto:BAL:topheadlines and then the O's are s+*t out of luck. |
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Post by z - El Guapo - retired on Dec 20, 2017 16:29:58 GMT -5
Or the Orilose decide to make one last run at the AL East. They keep Machdo. They have the bats to run out a prety good liel-up. They have Adam Jones; they have Machado; they hope Chris Davis bounces back. That's a really good MLB infield. Austin Hays delivers. Cisco becomes a legit everyday starter behind the plate.
How do they get the pitching they would need for one last shot? How can they acquire Archer (and perhaps Colome to fill into the pen) from the Rays and/or Danny Duffy from KC? What can Mountcastle and Cedric Mullins bring them? What else do they have? Is Alex Wells legit? D.J. Stewart has some appeal, too. Etc...
Not looking all that good... and yet, Peter Angelos retains a glimmer of hope.
Do they keep Mountcastle and Mullins and try to re-build by dealing Machado? Where and how do they get pitching help?
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Post by Phillies GM (Ron) on Dec 20, 2017 16:38:19 GMT -5
I'd take my chances and move Machado now after losing Britton to an achilles. Too much can happen between now the and July trade deadline.
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Post by z - El Guapo - retired on Jan 3, 2018 19:37:15 GMT -5
MLB.com’s Joe Frisaro reports at least 15 teams have called the Marlins on Yelich, per Frisaro, while another dozen or so are showing interest in Realmuto. Miami isn’t willing to move either player for anything less than a substantial overpay in terms of prospects and young talent, though.
Does Realmuto end up at Washington?
Who get Yelich?
Or do both/either stay in Miami?
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Post by Marlins GM (Anthony) on Jan 3, 2018 19:50:03 GMT -5
Oh now Jeter wants an overpay...Shmuck
But no, Dodgers or Rockies would be good fits for Yelich.
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Post by z - El Guapo - retired on Jan 3, 2018 19:58:38 GMT -5
Don't the Rockies have plenty of outfield depth?... of course, that's counting David Dahl. And more coming up through their system? Guess we were thinking Gonzalez is still in there.
Where does Realmuto land? Nats need a backstop, for sure. Orioles, too... unless you believe Chance Sisco is gonna be good behind the plate.
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Post by z - El Guapo - retired on Jan 3, 2018 20:02:08 GMT -5
Outfielders
Charlie Blackmon
Ian Desmond
David Dahl
Gerardo Parra
Mike Tauchman
Raimel Tapia
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Post by z - Tim on Jan 3, 2018 20:03:04 GMT -5
i could see the braves making a play, they are not that far away from being competitive and yelich would fit in well longterm. plus they have tons of milb pitching which would appeal to the marlins. yelich would prob prefer to get to a clear contender, but not a bad spot.
fwiw, yelich has a taz equalization clause so dodgers etc would end up paying a noticeable premium $ to what he makes in fla.
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Post by z - El Guapo - retired on Jan 3, 2018 20:09:03 GMT -5
Jason Martinez over at mlb.com chat poo poos Atlanta as a trade destination and says the dark horse to land Yelich and Realmuto is Oakland.
Martinez quote: "I don't see it [Atlanta] for a couple reasons ... 1) Division rival trade will makes it at least slightly less likely. Marlins don't want to see those guys so often after they trade him. 2) Braves have bigger needs than catcher (Flowers/Suzuki were great in '17) and OF (Acuña, Inciarte and Markakis are fine). If they trade Markakis, there are plenty of good values to pick up in free agency for LF. "
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Post by Marlins GM (Anthony) on Jan 3, 2018 20:12:53 GMT -5
Don't the Rockies have plenty of outfield depth?... of course, that's counting David Dahl. And more coming up through their system? Guess we were thinking Gonzalez is still in there. Where does Realmuto land? Nats need a backstop, for sure. Orioles, too... unless you believe Chance Sisco is gonna be good behind the plate. They do, but the Rockies could/should consolidate some of that depth and upgrade while they have a decent window. They just spent all that money on their pen, they have a great lineup. They should make an upgrade in their OF, and they have the pieces to do it. D. Dahl + McMahon for Yelich probably gets the deal done. Cargo is gone. Dump Parra for whatever you can get. Move Desmond to 1B. That gives you an OF from left to right of Yelich, Blackmon, Tapia. That's an elite defensive OF. |
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Post by Marlins GM (Anthony) on Jan 3, 2018 20:14:23 GMT -5
Yelich + Realmuto to Colorado...makes a ton of sense to me.
Wouldn't be surprised if B. Rodgers would be on the table in a deal like that.
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Post by z - Tim on Jan 3, 2018 20:17:38 GMT -5
with atl having some major mgmt issues this offseason, theres a good chance the new GM will just decide to stay patient and keep assets. but, with all their milb pitching they are on paper a good match, plus they may even contend this year, definitely next yr. yelich would really be perfect, its just practically with a new GM harder to happen.
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Post by z - El Guapo - retired on Jan 3, 2018 20:22:37 GMT -5
Rockies seem to be in motion for the additions, with the pen upgrades, more so than Atlanta, who appear more focused on the future.
We could very well see Dahl and Rodgers going to Miami in that deal. Wow, never thought of it before. Good point, Anthony. Though Dahl, with his injury history, may be too risky for Miami.
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Post by Marlins GM (Anthony) on Jan 3, 2018 20:29:27 GMT -5
I actually think Dahl has a better offensive profile than Yelich but ya, injuries are a thing.
Imo, Colorado should skip the wait and ship Dahl + pieces out for Yelich. Yelich in that park would be real nice.
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