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Post by Phillies GM (Ron) on Nov 29, 2017 18:50:53 GMT -5
Padres fan here. Trade Solarte and Hand. Get another prospect or two then sign a couple more pitchers off of the scrap heap like Chacin and Richard last season. Just keep developing the young talent in the minors and be ready to play them as they mature.
Padres down fall for the last 50 damn years has been player development. Not saying they were perfect in scouting (looking at you cheap ass Jeff Moorad) Preller looks like he has a good handle on that now. Player development could be the next new "moneyball" component to separate themselves from other teams.
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Post by z - El Guapo - retired on Nov 29, 2017 18:53:43 GMT -5
Player development is hardly a new idea. Branch Rickey invented the idea of developing a strong farm and growing your own in the country.
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Post by Red Sox GM (Luke) on Nov 29, 2017 18:57:37 GMT -5
Orioles fan here.
Britton should be traded and should be able to get a couple of young arms for him.
I have become more and more inclined to trading Machado during the season if we are out of the playoff race. Hate saying that as well as he is my favourite player.
No pitcher really wants to pitch in Camden yards so only way to get them is waiting until no one else wants them.
Would like to sign at least 2 FA pitchers but I think the bigger clubs will get them first.
Year after year the Orioles neglect to address the lack of quality in the rotation and it comes back to sting us in the ass. I don't want another Jiminez or Gallardo.
I would like Alex Cobb as he knows how to pitch in the AL east but he is going elsewhere.
Could be a very interesting season for the Orioles as it's either Win or Bust
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Post by z - El Guapo - retired on Nov 29, 2017 19:01:36 GMT -5
Orioles seem to trade away the best arms -- Arrieta and Bridwell come to mind, coupla others, too, who's the guy? think he went to Cincy? Davies! No, wait Zach Davies, went to Milwaukee. Those gys would have made damn nice pieces to a rotation.
Maybe the Baltimores need to take another approach -- develop instead of trade?
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Post by Phillies GM (Ron) on Nov 29, 2017 19:05:50 GMT -5
Were already starting to see the new wave of GM's by waiting out the players now. This off season is the beginning of slowing down the "spending spree" of the off season. The teams have seen players start to panic when they don't have a new contract in hand this point in the season. I mean Cleveland waited out EE last year and he came to them contract wise.
Miggy and Pujols are anchors on the Angels and Tigers now. Of course they were great when they initially signed there long term contracts, but Look at their value now though. Pujols is getting 18:$27M, 19:$28M, 20:$29M, 21:$30M over the next three years. He'll be 38 in January no way he's worth that anymore, he takes up half a spot at both 1B and DH now. Pujols WAR last year was -2. I say again -2. His wRC+ was 78 where 100 is average. Yikes.
There's a reason I have Pujols on my roster in this league. LOL.
And Miggy is getting 18-21:$30M annually, 22-23:$32M annually, 24:$30M club option ($8M buyout), 25:$30M club option. He'll be 35 next April and his WAR was -0.2 and wRC+ was 91 where 100 is average. Ouch. Thankfully I'm in a mode of seeing what I have now or he'd be on my roster too for this rebuild. LOL.
Those days of big money contracts for players after 34-35 or over in my opinion. Maybe Stanton is different but with his injury history I think this contract he has now is the best he's gonna get.
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Post by z - El Guapo - retired on Nov 29, 2017 19:12:04 GMT -5
Yep, you are right, Ron. But Miggie, Albert and Stanton all signed when they were young enough to give their clubs some very good years. And that will always be the case... always an owner who is willing to "go for it." Angels were trying to compete for the LA market with the Dodgers. Boston is always trying to stay one step ahead of the Yankees. etc.
An owner always pops up opens his wallet and says "we're in it to win it!" Ace starters or HOF bats hit the market, someone is always gonna pony up.
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Post by Phillies GM (Ron) on Nov 29, 2017 19:13:11 GMT -5
Player development is hardly a new idea. Branch Rickey invented the idea of developing a strong farm and growing your own in the country. Not talking new, talking about spending money on facilities, paying money for greater coaching in the minors not cutting costs in the minors, eating, all the new biometric and kinesiology stuff going on. Medical analytics, preventive medicine etc... A whole new frontier. The Dodgers looked into that stuff as soon as Friedman and Zaidi took over and created a whole new medical department then closed off all access to it from outside the Dodgers. Put NDA's on all the personnel who worked in that department. Kept it proprietary. There's a reason some teams fail to see a consistent flow of players to the majors. The Padres and the Mariners are two for example. I can't tell you how many players they've both traded away who failed to perform as a Padre/Mariner but who became above average and superstar players once they got to their new teams. |
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Post by Phillies GM (Ron) on Nov 29, 2017 19:14:10 GMT -5
Orioles seem to trade away the best arms -- Arrieta and Bridwell come to mind, coupla others, too, who's the guy? think he went to Cincy? Davies! No, wait Zach Davies, went to Milwaukee. Those gys would have made damn nice pieces to a rotation. Maybe the Baltimores need to take another approach -- develop instead of trade? Yep, that would've been a nice rotation indeed. |
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Post by Phillies GM (Ron) on Nov 29, 2017 19:18:21 GMT -5
Yep, you are right, Ron. But Miggie, Albert and Stanton all signed when they were young enough to give their clubs some very good years. And that will always be the case... always an owner who is willing to "go for it." Angels were trying to compete for the LA market with the Dodgers. Boston is always trying to stay one step ahead of the Yankees. etc. An owner always pops up opens his wallet and says "we're in it to win it!" Ace starters or HOF bats hit the market, someone is always gonna pony up. Agreed but I think we're going to see a change now that we have data built up on these types of contracts and their potential outcomes in the latter stages of the contract. I'm curious to see what the next TV contracts will be like. That was the explosion of money that set up these huge contracts in players later years. Curious to see if the cable networks will continue to pass out money like it's candy to MLB teams as they've done the last six or seven years. |
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Post by Red Sox GM (Luke) on Nov 29, 2017 19:33:59 GMT -5
The pitching development during Andy Mcphail was awful.
Ruined Brian Matusz, Arrieta couldn't pitch to save his life for the O's then it clicked in Chicago.
Davies has developed nicely in Milwaukee and is a 4/5th starter.
I always had high hopes for Bridwell but he was so hit and miss in the minors, threw a no hitter then gave up 6 runs in 2 innings next time out.
The one that got away for me, and it pissed me off something fierce was trading Josh Hader to the Astros, he is now in the Brewers org. Loved his makeup and thought he could be a #3 starter if not more
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Post by z - El Guapo - retired on Nov 29, 2017 20:26:01 GMT -5
Yeah, Hader. Knew there was another one somewhere. heh
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 21:05:38 GMT -5
Twins are fav team, I’d like to see them improve bullpen, our bullpen, and pitching in general has been pretty bad with exception of Ervin Santana last year
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Post by Angels GM (Scott) on Nov 29, 2017 22:18:12 GMT -5
LA has not been willing to spend any more money than where they are now. If LA was willing to spend money than Stanton would already be a Dodger.
SF would be foolish to acquire Stanton. They have a crappy farm. Adding Stanton doesn't out them in the playoffs. How they gonna get more talent if their only decent specs go to Miami?
STL is the most logical trade spot. Game of chicken ensues.
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Post by z - El Guapo - retired on Nov 30, 2017 6:15:28 GMT -5
Disagree with Scott. The Friscos automatically improve all at once if they acquire Stanton. They replace an aging Hunter Pence and get a super star crowd pleaser. Pence is 34, hit .260, with only 13 dingers last year. Signing Stanton instantly makes SF better, on the field and at the box office.
Now another question entirely is whether the Friscos have the talent to make the Fish sit up and listen. But, yeah, the Giants would do very well snagging Stanton -- and he'd be on the coast!
Further amplifying the need to upgrade over Pence in RF, Los Gigantes are said to be discussing an Andrew McCutchen deal with the Pirates.
We do agree with Scott that St Louis has way more to offer from its farm and its MLB that Marlins could use, and Stanton would fit in very well into Cards needs. Also, when last we checked, St Louis is not on either coast.
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Post by Brewers GM (Brad) on Nov 30, 2017 6:41:37 GMT -5
Twins are fav team, I’d like to see them improve bullpen, our bullpen, and pitching in general has been pretty bad with exception of Ervin Santana last year I like Hildenberger and Gabriel Moya to surprise some folks this year. So far they seem to be focusing on SP, which I think is the right approach. |
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Post by z - Gaz on Nov 30, 2017 7:33:13 GMT -5
Red Sox fan, main need is pretty obvious and that's power. Read lots of JBJ for Abreu chat recently but I'm not really interested in that. I'd prefer to see Hanley earn his money at first (possibly timeshare with Sam Travis) while Chavis gets into a groove at AAA before he takes over. Although I'd guess there will be money thrown at Hosmer or JD if he's open to playing 1B.
Another big thing would be having a fully healthy David Price back in the rotation.
Obviously getting Giancarlo would be nice, money/luxury tax apparently is not an issue, but I'd prefer not to completely empty the farm, there are still some nice pieces there that DD hasn't pissed away yet. For what it's worth I think he ends up in St Louis. They will be able to put together a great package. If this was next offseason I think the Dodgers would have already done the deal but they still have so much dead money on their books.
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Post by Angels GM (Scott) on Nov 30, 2017 9:25:49 GMT -5
Stanton would/should improve any team. But, how much? A last place team with a weak farm system and aging players isn't going to suddenly be a playoff team because of Stanton. Now, if the Giants land Ohtani then pushing for Stanton could be huge for them as those 2 would account for enough improvement to justify the cost of acquisition for Stanton. Just think the Giants would end up like the Angels if they add Stanton... mediocre, no farm, limited payroll flexibility and an OF superstar.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 9:30:36 GMT -5
Rangers Fan Here
For the love of god stop getting power hitters in FA. Get some high avg guys to keep the lineup moving. DO NOT MOVE matt bush to a starter. Hasn't worked with Feliz, Ross, Ogando stop trying and don't ruin bush career. I would love for them to bring Darvish Back and get Ohtani to help out the rotation. Take a page from Mariners book like they did to use on Cliff Lee and Justin Smoak. I highly doubt they could afford it but Britton at the back end would be a great add as we need another Lefty and top of the line closer... Its a very long shot of the rangers being good this year but one can dream.. Just wanna send Beltre out on a high note
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Post by Brewers GM (Brad) on Nov 30, 2017 10:04:38 GMT -5
Rangers Fan Here For the love of god stop getting power hitters in FA. Get some high avg guys to keep the lineup moving. DO NOT MOVE matt bush to a starter. Hasn't worked with Feliz, Ross, Ogando stop trying and don't ruin bush career. I would love for them to bring Darvish Back and get Ohtani to help out the rotation. Take a page from Mariners book like they did to use on Cliff Lee and Justin Smoak. I highly doubt they could afford it but Britton at the back end would be a great add as we need another Lefty and top of the line closer... Its a very long shot of the rangers being good this year but one can dream.. Just wanna send Beltre out on a high note Adrian Beltre is awesome. He and Andrus's chumming around lands somewhere between adorable and charming. I dislike the Rangers but would be happy if they won one for Adrian. He was so close in '11. Okay, that last sentence was a backhanded jibe from a Cardinals fan. Couldn't help it. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 10:10:46 GMT -5
Rangers Fan Here For the love of god stop getting power hitters in FA. Get some high avg guys to keep the lineup moving. DO NOT MOVE matt bush to a starter. Hasn't worked with Feliz, Ross, Ogando stop trying and don't ruin bush career. I would love for them to bring Darvish Back and get Ohtani to help out the rotation. Take a page from Mariners book like they did to use on Cliff Lee and Justin Smoak. I highly doubt they could afford it but Britton at the back end would be a great add as we need another Lefty and top of the line closer... Its a very long shot of the rangers being good this year but one can dream.. Just wanna send Beltre out on a high note Adrian Beltre is awesome. He and Andrus's chumming around lands somewhere between adorable and charming. I dislike the Rangers but would be happy if they won one for Adrian. He was so close in '11. Okay, that last sentence was a backhanded jibe from a Cardinals fan. Couldn't help it. David Freese still haunts my dreams... Oh and Nelson Cruz first step being in instead of back |
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