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Post by Marlins GM (Anthony) on Dec 1, 2017 12:53:25 GMT -5
First off...Otani isn't signing in KC or TB. But even if he did, you think he's not getting a shoe deal from Nike? You think Jordan isn't approaching him? You think Gatorade isn't approaching him because he plays in Toronto?
A superstar, is a superstar regardless of their market.
Are you talking about car commercials or what? Because I'm sure those do pay more in NY than smaller markets. But that's just pennies.
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Post by Marlins GM (Anthony) on Dec 1, 2017 12:55:19 GMT -5
The better argument should be, why is MLB so bad at marketing their stars?
NBA and the NFL nailed it. Russell Westbrook and Kevin Durant were global superstars with endorsements out the butt...In Oklahoma City!
Peyton Manning spent nearly his entire career in Indy. He's doing ok.
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Post by Marlins GM (Anthony) on Dec 1, 2017 13:09:22 GMT -5
I would also like to point out, how every baseball conversation comes back around to Stanton and Otani. Haha. I'm ready to stop talking about both...
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Post by Phillies GM (Ron) on Dec 1, 2017 14:09:25 GMT -5
Maybe he means markets that haven't had a Japanese star before? Who does that rule out? Yankees, Mariners, Red Sox (although Dice-K struggled he was still a huge star), Rangers, Dodgers... That's how I read it, Gaz. |
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Post by Angels GM (Scott) on Dec 1, 2017 14:46:14 GMT -5
Padres reportedly one of 5 finalists. He wants a small market team that is rebuilding and hasn't had a Japanese star before. Can't say for certain, but would assume he prefers a west coast team. Padres, Giants, Mariners could all make sense.
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Post by Marlins GM (Anthony) on Dec 1, 2017 14:56:17 GMT -5
Padres reportedly one of 5 finalists. He wants a small market team that is rebuilding and hasn't had a Japanese star before. Can't say for certain, but would assume he prefers a west coast team. Padres, Giants, Mariners could all make sense. I would love to see him in SD. It'd be good for baseball. |
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Post by z - El Guapo - retired on Dec 1, 2017 15:15:54 GMT -5
It may happen, but it would be like Babe Ruth playing his best years for the Omaha Storm Chasers.
Not sure why it would be good for baseball. Half the games would start at 11pm EST, with few folks watching. The San Diego media of course would be all over every pitch, and maybe MLBNetwork would do a sweeping story or two pre-season. Other than that not sure what sort of covergae there'd be.
Ohtani could pile up the endorsements by doing a couple of promos for fish tacos, maybe, and the local craft beer brewery.
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Post by Athletics GM (Wayne) on Dec 1, 2017 15:17:58 GMT -5
I've heard that Otani would like to chart his own path in the big leagues. I still think that he will end up a Yankee, but with Tanaka already established, maybe that negates him going to New York a little bit. Toronto is a bit of a possibility, because he would have an entire country behind him. That would be a different path to take.
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Post by z - Tim on Dec 1, 2017 17:43:36 GMT -5
West coast (maybe ny) is just a natural fit for a japanese player and the outside the stadium stuff matters as far as settling in too so I don’t discount it. I can see the idea of a smaller market team for an American player (hypo only), teams like the twins that are in a decent spot and would totally cater to his two-way desires. Or 2d tier teams w pipelines that could still pay quite a bit to keep teams going down the line, like say White Sox or Braves, that are maybe just one year away. I’d say the Mets but damn wouldn’t every pitcher be scared off their track record with keeping arms healthy. I really would love be to see the angels, but that’s just because it’s sad mike trout hasn’t had a chance at sept. Other than homer reasons, that be my fav choice.
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Post by Rangers GM (Tony) on Dec 1, 2017 18:37:21 GMT -5
Just curious, is Otani draft eligible in this league or free agency?
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Post by Phillies GM (Ron) on Dec 1, 2017 18:43:53 GMT -5
It may happen, but it would be like Babe Ruth playing his best years for the Omaha Storm Chasers. Not sure why it would be good for baseball. Half the games would start at 11pm EST, with few folks watching. The San Diego media of course would be all over every pitch, and maybe MLBNetwork would do a sweeping story or two pre-season. Other than that not sure what sort of covergae there'd be. Ohtani could pile up the endorsements by doing a couple of promos for fish tacos, maybe, and the local craft beer brewery. I don't see it in a "Ruthian" way, Guapo. If the Padres sign Ohtani, Hosmer falls next and they trade prospects to speed up the process for a playoff push. They have the talent and depth in the minors to make a major push if Ohtani signs with them. Otherwise it's just wait till the prospects come up in a year and a half. With todays internet streaming (MLB.TV) and marketing he could make big money playing in Minneapolis (if he wanted to go there) due to the widespread sports cable networks and the internet. People aren't anchored to the TV for baseball anymore. The days of having to live in New York or LA to be marketable have been over for awhile, except for the people who still read the NYTimes print edition. LOL. Much of Ohtani's endorsements will be from Japan anyway regardless of where he plays, just the fact that he'll be playing MLB will get him even more deals in Japan especially with the media coverage he'll provide back to Japan. |
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Post by z - El Guapo - retired on Dec 1, 2017 18:55:45 GMT -5
Yep, Japan will be a huge market for him. Disagree, though, on your assessment of worldwide markets. Those world-wide resources accrue to those playing in the major markets, like LA and NY, maybe Chicago, or winning championships. Even world championships won't help you sell Cornflakes in Dubuque if you are not performing in a major market... maybe somewhat to a lesser degree. But, if you star in Los Angeles or New York, sky's the limit. It's a simple matter of numbers -- denser populations of people who buy the Cornflakes.
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Post by Brewers GM (Brad) on Dec 2, 2017 0:22:40 GMT -5
Just curious, is Otani draft eligible in this league or free agency? If he signs before the draft begins, then draft eligible. Otherwise the assumption is he will be an in-season free agent (though it is possible that he may sign and then not play in the majors until after we've had our prospect bidding at the All Star break, at which point he would be eligible for spec bidding.) |
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Post by Brewers GM (Brad) on Dec 2, 2017 0:23:18 GMT -5
Given his age, he will not be eligible for off-season free agency, even if he signs after the draft.
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Post by Orioles GM (Ben) on Dec 2, 2017 8:16:12 GMT -5
Jays fan- hope they get rid of the Cleveland crew, who to my mind haven’t made a decent move since the Jays stupidly pushed AA out to bring them in.
Tim- AA will do a nice job with the Braves. And don’t forget that he bided his time and built the Jays farm system before he pushed his chips in. I think he will see 2019 as the window too.
On Ohtani- really hope he doesn’t go to spec bidding. Not a knock on any partyicular team or owner (anyone’s right to play within the rules as set), but the one aspect of the league settings that bothers me slightly is that being allowed to spend unused salary further incentivises people to punt on their MLB roster.
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Post by Brewers GM (Brad) on Dec 2, 2017 9:03:54 GMT -5
I hear that. Fwiw, the chances of Otani making it that far are slim to none. I expect he'll be draft eligible.
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Post by Orioles GM (Ben) on Dec 2, 2017 9:29:49 GMT -5
Agreed. May be worth thinking about for future seasons though perhaps. But I will leave it there as El Guapo is already emailing to protest me even raising the point despite the fact that I tried to make pretty clear that I wasn’t criticising any owner and that people can do whatever they like within the rules set (that being how a game generally works!).
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Post by z - El Guapo - retired on Dec 2, 2017 11:32:18 GMT -5
"El Guapo is already emailing to protest me even raising the point"
We didn't protest. We explained -- since you don't seem to get it. And, we thought we kept it private (hence the term Private Message) so as not to embarrass you in public.
We took a very basic approach -- traded MLB talent for prospects; saved cap space for later on when we would be competitive and needed the flexibility of a deep cash reserve; stockpiled picks and tried to build a farm system that could withstand the rigors of time and injury.
We are almost there, on all counts.
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Post by Orioles GM (Ben) on Dec 2, 2017 12:16:01 GMT -5
None of the arguments you’ve put forward are really relevant to the point I politely made, so my level of embarrassment is pretty low. Let’s leave it there as life is too short to row about rule changes in a free fantasy baseball league.
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Post by z - Gaz on Dec 2, 2017 12:58:49 GMT -5
It's alright, Guapo's complaints got the rules changed in the first place.
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