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Post by Marlins GM (Anthony) on Dec 9, 2017 9:18:23 GMT -5
Ha, if you think Jeter isnt going to get shit for trading Stanton to NY you're crazy.
As soon as word came out he'd accept a trade to NY it took a whole 24 hours for Jeter to figure it out. Everyone else, "going to be very, very complex negotiations". Thats all we heard. Yankees? Ehhhh, give us a slightly above average 2B that does next to nothing for our rebuild and some B prospects...
Why the heck, would the Marlins want Castro?
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Post by Marlins GM (Anthony) on Dec 9, 2017 9:22:02 GMT -5
Any guesses on who the pitching prospects might be? Domingo Acevedo Jorge Guzman Albert Abreu Domingo German Chance Adams Brett Morales Matt Sauer Luis Medina Trevor Stephan Justus Sheffield Taylor Widener Freicer Perez Nestor Cortes Phillip Diehl Clark Schmidt the list goes on and on... Half those guys will never contribute in the majors. |
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Post by z - El Guapo - retired on Dec 9, 2017 9:24:30 GMT -5
And maybe the other half will?
Why did we see Castro as a good fit for Miami before the deal was announced? Because, for one, Castro is just 27, he hits fairly well, including some pop, and Miami just dealt their 2B guy Dee Gordon to Seattle. Miami's system is almost completely devoid of pitching, so quality SP prospects also figure to be part of the deal.
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Post by Marlins GM (Anthony) on Dec 9, 2017 9:29:48 GMT -5
Maybe the other half will be a combination of back end starters, middle and long relievers. 2, 3 maybe 4 of those guys will ever have much trade value after their debuts. Right now...all they are are potential.
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Post by z - Tim on Dec 9, 2017 9:31:15 GMT -5
starlin is the perfect piece for the marlins to take back - some salary, but not expensive, young enough theres upside left so could later flip value even - so i could actually see a trade coming together fast. i dont see the other teams hes said ok to have a piece like that to salary offset, so marlins prob jump at that deal vs taking back some trash. gotta say starlin is an unlucky dude tho, cubs suck for years, finally make some noise and they trade him, then win WS, yanks make some noise, and now he gets traded to.....marlins. ouch! he might actually increase his value in miami since he’ll hit higher up the order and marlins likely flip him eventually so could later end up w a contender, but its still gotta sting to get traded away from two very good young cores.
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Post by Marlins GM (Anthony) on Dec 9, 2017 9:35:56 GMT -5
And maybe the other half will? Why did we see Castro as a good fit for Miami before the deal was announced? Because, for one, Castro is just 27, he hits fairly well, including some pop, and Miami just dealt their 2B guy Dee Gordon to Seattle. Miami's system is almost completely devoid of pitching, so quality SP prospects also figure to be part of the deal. If you're rebuilding why do you need Castro? Why do you need to pay a slightly above average 2B $7-8M a year for the next 2 years (and then he walks because he's not re-signing in Miami) I dont know, I guess they can trade him? But why did Miami all the sudden decide they were ok taking money/contracts back? Castro does nothing for them. He has no future there. If they trade him, maybe they'll get something? |
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Post by z - El Guapo - retired on Dec 9, 2017 9:38:31 GMT -5
Maybe the Yanks required them to take back Castro as part of the deal, to clear some salary, and they wanted to do the trade? That seems reasonable and logical. Castro can also be flipped, as he is a legit MLB 2B guy. The need to create an opening for the fast rising Torres is also part of the reason for NYY wanting to move Castro.
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Post by z - El Guapo - retired on Dec 9, 2017 9:43:54 GMT -5
Of course, Stanton can still exercise his veto option because he prefers the Los Angeles club. That may be an over-play on his part, though. The Marlins could then force his hand by saying they'll just keep him and let him shrivel up in Miami as they slog through a long re-build.
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Post by Marlins GM (Anthony) on Dec 9, 2017 9:52:28 GMT -5
Maybe the Yanks required them to take back Castro as part of the deal, to clear some salary, and they wanted to do the trade? That seems reasonable and logical. Castro can also be flipped, as he is a legit MLB 2B guy. The need to create an opening for the fast rising Torres is also part of the reason for NYY wanting to move Castro. Right, and that's kind of my point... Everything you just mentioned is what NY wanted. Why would Miami care about the Yankees cap situation, or clearing space for Torres? The narrative was always...Marlins are rebuilding. They want prospects. Team needs to take all the contract. Maybe it works out? Maybe they actually get one of the good pitching prospects and not just roster filler? It's not a good look for Jeter and that FO. They still have a fanbase there. They still need to make that team better. No Miami fan wanted to trade Stanton. Jeter, who Miami fans are already questioning coming in and trading the MVP to his beloved Yankees...ouch. Sorry Miami. |
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Post by z - El Guapo - retired on Dec 9, 2017 10:02:10 GMT -5
Someone just toll us Frazier is part of the deal... but he doesn't know if it's Clint or Todd Frazier. heh
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Post by z - El Guapo - retired on Dec 9, 2017 10:03:36 GMT -5
See the thing is, it is very hard to get what you want when the other club KNOWS you have to move the guy.That's why they are trading Stanton to New York and New York can leverage what they want. It isn't that complicated. Miami has to get what they can. They don't have St Louis or San Fran options because Stanton already said no go. Maybe Los Dodgers were still in play? But evidently the Miamis felt the better deal was in New York, or they wouldn't have pulled the trigger. Better New York now than get left with your dick in your hand, as Sonny said in The Godfather.
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Post by z - Tim on Dec 9, 2017 10:05:13 GMT -5
i think starlin works because the other 3 teams on stanton’s list would likely all ask marlins to take back $ or pay some for stanton, so if marlins are having to make a $ concession, this is likely the most appealing one they could do. they actually get sthg that stand to be an asset vs a liability. the dodgers have a number of big $ deals but they are all either complete duds or guys the dodgers will have to go searching hard to backfill, so putting scott kazmir in, no prob for dodgers, rich hill, hard to replace. the yanks can find someone to play 2b relatively cheap and even if that guy becomes the no9 hitter, theyve got enough good bats already to be fine (and maybe they trade for some other 2b using specs). trading starlin doesnt mess with their team this year in a way that is difficult to find another option and it does leave them some salary breathing room. and marlins get sthg they can move if they choose to. while i get the scepticism w jeter/yanks, i dont see the 3 other teams having such a clear starting piece, they might step up to the plate and just offer better specs but prob wouldnt be as easy.
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Post by z - Tim on Dec 9, 2017 10:07:44 GMT -5
as for frazier, i havent read anything, but he is a bit unneeded if stanton comes, florial is in the minors too. the question might be value tho (u could still flip frazier for a 2b to backfill starlin etc, so no reason to let him go cheap)
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Post by Marlins GM (Anthony) on Dec 9, 2017 10:08:09 GMT -5
Someone just toll us Frazier is part of the deal... but he doesn't know if it's Clint or Todd Frazier. heh If it's Todd it's even more laughable... |
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Post by z - El Guapo - retired on Dec 9, 2017 10:09:21 GMT -5
We have not seen any post mentioning Frazier (neither one) anywhere... just saying what someone told us. Though it may make some sense. Personally, we think the Yankees would be okay with sending a Frazier, and they will likely have to give up some pitching specs.
Trading Florial would be a hard candy.
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Post by z - Tim on Dec 9, 2017 10:11:12 GMT -5
if its todd, then we might as well just go ahead and give the title to the yanks. i mean if the yanks are allowed to trade a FREE AGENT to get stanton well thats the star on the christmas tree.
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Post by z - El Guapo - retired on Dec 9, 2017 10:12:08 GMT -5
Yeah, that's right on Todd. That makes no sense at all. Must have meant Clint.
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Post by Marlins GM (Anthony) on Dec 9, 2017 10:27:48 GMT -5
And here it comes...
"A quick recap: Jeter bought the Marlins using mostly other people’s money, completely gutted them, pushed out a bunch of longtime employees, and traded their once-in-a-generation player to the Yankees."
Jeter will never be Loria, but he's off to an equally awful start.
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Post by z - El Guapo - retired on Dec 9, 2017 10:29:24 GMT -5
9:20am: Sherman hears that Castro is the only veteran going back to the Marlins in the deal (Twitter link). The other players going to Miami are Yankees prospects, though not their “best”.
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Post by z - Tim on Dec 9, 2017 10:32:09 GMT -5
jeter the “owner” is getting an awful rep, almost the opposite of jeter the player. it seems like hes trying to get the team in a good place longterm and i like that, but the manner hes done everything has been so clumsy in contrast to the pitch perfect smoothness of jeter the player.
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